How many folks here have looked at the GOOOH site?

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Permalink Reply by Dan Hunt on October 2, 2009 at 6:41pm

Gale

I recommend you read founding father and first Secretary of The Treasury Alexander Hamilton's Federalist Paper #21. He endorsed a consumption tax. To quote:

"It is a signal advantage of taxes on articles of consumption, that they contain in their own nature a security against excess. They prescribe their own limit; which cannot be exceeded without defeating the end proposed, that is, an extension of the revenue. When applied to this object, the saying is as just as it is witty, that, "in political arithmetic, two and two do not always make four." If duties are too high, they lessen the consumption; the collection is eluded; and the product to the treasury is not so great as when they are confined within proper and moderate bounds. This forms a complete barrier against any material oppression of the citizens by taxes of this class, and is itself a natural limitation of the power of imposing them."

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fagan on October 2, 2009 at 9:05pm

Randy,

While I agree pretty much with everything you've said, I will take exception with your next to last paragraph. And my basis for the exception is none other than Sen. John McCain. I don't know the exact percentage number but I believe it is fair to say that he is frequently at odds with his own party. The question is - does that make him a good Senator? My opinion - I think not. That is not to say that I don't respect and admire him for his service to his country and all that he endured as a POW.

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Permalink Reply by Randy Stone on October 3, 2009 at 9:36am

Sean, I do think we agree with each other alot! I was wrong as you posted but forgive me because I was just looking at the majority of congressmen that are well known and of course from our neighboring states.
I was wrong to assumed there were none at all in DC but my point really was that the party determines their actions not the people.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fagan on October 3, 2009 at 2:45pm

and I agree with your main point

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fagan on October 2, 2009 at 9:43pm

I'm trying to get my mind around this whole endorsement thing.... (and I know I've made similar comments before, just can't remember where)

It seems to me that FairTax Nation, by its very nature, is a single issue "group" - we support passage of the FairTax, period. We, as a group, do not support any political persuasion of any kind (true, many of us are conservative - but we have liberal friends as well).

However, I have to think that does not preclude us from making a general statement that we support candidates who support the FairTax regardless of their party affiliation. Of course, "officially" endorsing a candidate is not a good idea (and I doubt that would matter a whole lot in the long run anyway).

Just my 3 cents.

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Permalink Reply by Tim C on October 3, 2009 at 12:26am

A friend mentioned GOOOH was being discussed here. I'm glad to see it. A few comments I would add:
- What are the odds of the incumbents ever supporting the FairTax? It takes away their power. If they were going to support it, they would have done so by now.
- Every person who supports the FairTax can, in parallel, participate in GOOOH and help ensure that whoever is selected in our process also supports the FairTax.
- GOOOH continues to gain tremendous national momentum. We have several major shows considering our plan. The more patriots who join us the more likely they are to give us air time. Once one of them do, others will certainly follow.
- GOOOH needs but 500,000 members to succeed. FairTax supporters alone could get us to that number. Imagine if every FairTax supporter joined GOOOH.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fagan on October 3, 2009 at 3:03pm

... "If they were going to support it, they would have done so by now." - excellent point, I have to agree.

... "FairTax supporters alone could get us to that number. Imagine if every FairTax supporter joined GOOOH."

I must admit that I've not found the time to study the principles and concepts of GOOOH thus far, but I've read a enough of really good responses here from both you Tim and Jim (Sam) that I'm signing up today.

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Permalink Reply by Randy Stone on October 3, 2009 at 9:44am

I'll listen to your 3 cents anytime Sean.

I had a guy once who I was explaining the Fair Tax to once. He was working for our state govmt in some fashion (lottery I think). He quickly said that I did not sound like a conservative as I claimed, he said I must be libertarian! I answered plainly that I was an American who was tired of the party wars and wanted tax reform.

I call Reps and Dems both trying to push the Fair Tax. I just want it passed and I do not care which party or candidate does so to help.
Endorsement of a candidate is a tricky thing being non-partisan group. We do need to know who will support the bill though and that knowledge will help.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Linn on October 3, 2009 at 9:57am

In the current two party system, there are only two options, Democrat or Republican, and sometimes Independent, but basically, its just two choices. You have NO SAY in who runs or gets BACKED as the ANOINTED candidate of the major political parties. YET, there are thousands of independent issues that must be dealt with! If you ran a mathematical truth table on this, you would find that there are billions of possibilities if not trillions of combinations of unique perspectives on issues. YET, you only get to vote for one of two or three PRE-SELECTED candidates.

In the GOOOH system, every qualified American citizen in the entire 660,000 (avg) person district can run for office. The real selection is in the PROCESS to get to the person that gets put on the ballot! YOU get to be part of the selection process of the person who gets to run. YOU get to help decide what views YOU want representing your district. The personage of the potential candidate, assuming they are of good character and standing in the community, is SECONDARY to the way they match up with your views on the issues.

This is what makes the GOOOH process a truly American system, and another great innovation to add to the American tradition. With the GOOOH system, we can take back control of the US House of Representatives forever, because the people will always control who gets selected and who they vote for on a district-by-district basis.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fagan on October 3, 2009 at 2:30pm

I'm willing to bet the guy you were talking to was himself a Libertarian. :)

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fagan on October 3, 2009 at 4:25pm

Randy,

Please understand that I am not taking exception with your comments - I am merely using them as a means to present some of my thoughts, they are not necessarily directed at you, thank you.

To the best of my knowledge, "FairTax Nation" itself does not exist as some kind of national organization, while there may be some "FairTax Nation" organizations at the state (I have given some serious consideration to forming an official Florida FairTax Nation organization) and maybe even at local levels, the national effort can only be found here at this website.

Some of the state and local organizations are formed as 501C3's and are therefore prohibited from most political activities, but even these non-profits can participate in the political process to a certain extent.

However, since FairTax Nation is not recognized as a national organization, I don't believe there is anything that would legally preclude us from endorsing any candidate that supports the FairTax. For example, since we know that Huckabee is such a huge proponent of the FairTax, why would we, as a "single issue" group not want to endorse him if his opponent was not a FairTax supporter? The same would be true if Huckabee opposed the FairTax but his opponent was a supporter.

I think that as long as we maintain this posture, we remain non-partisan. I think that as long as we choose to sit on top of the fence we are only lying to ourselves.

Again, just my 3 cents.

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Permalink Reply by Laura McCue on October 3, 2009 at 9:15am

I agree with Tim Cox of goooh.com and have seen for myself that huge majority of those supporters like the FairTax and would vote for it if a vote came up. The deal is to get the vote to come up. I think that after this past 9 months or so many Americans have determined that our elected leaders are not listening to us and are instead of the mindset that they don't have to and that they know better than we do what is good for us. If you have reached that conclusion then it might follow that they will never let the FairTax come up for a vote. So if you want the FairTax to happen, and want to ensure that there is a good chance to make it happen as written, then I recommend that you visit and choose to become involved with Get Out Of Our House now. Let's rock this town! (goooh.com)

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