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Business Owners for the Fair Tax


Business Owners for the Fair Tax

This group is to provide business owners a venue to exchange ideas as to how they can use their business to promote the Fair Tax.

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Latest Activity: Jun 20, 2013

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Let's make the Fair Tax a reality!

Started by Scott Streit Apr 25, 2009. 0 Replies

Fair Tax Promotion

Started by Dave Sibole. Last reply by Pat Conroy Mar 20, 2009. 4 Replies

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Comment by Norman Simms on February 20, 2009 at 2:43pm
I think this is a genuine excellent idea. I am buying one now.
Comment by Pat Conroy on February 20, 2009 at 1:50pm
Something I've been pushing is a FairTax rubber stamp. I am stamping the backs of all the envelopes my company sends out with "FairTax - Not Income Tax." If nothing else, the letter carriers union will see it.

I'm sure my employees are already sick of me pushing the Fairtax, so I probably won't be stamping their payroll stubs. However, I have been know to stamp currency. I ordered my stamp here:


It's self inking and costs $10 with free shipping. I wonder who is going to be the first person to receive change with FairTax stamped on a bill?

If we can get hundreds of people stamping thousands of items, it will be great PR. Please, everyone, order a stamp and start stamping!
Comment by Norman Simms on February 20, 2009 at 12:42pm
I wrote to him and invited him to join FT. As I hear, this letter was picked up and went national. Alot of Congressmen and leaders remarked. Lets hope he's made a point
Comment by Pat Conroy on February 20, 2009 at 12:35pm
Great letter. I'd like to meet this guy.
Comment by Norman Simms on February 20, 2009 at 12:07pm
Thought you all in manufacturing might appreciate this one.

As a supplier for the Big 3, this man
received a letter from the President of GM North America
requesting support for the bailout program. The response
this man wrote is classic, and has to make you proud of a
local guy who tells it like it is.

Here is the request letter, and the response.

Dear Employees & Suppliers,

Congress and the current Administration
will soon determine whether to provide immediate support to
the domestic auto industry to help it through one of the
most difficult economic times in our nation's history.
Your elected officials must hear from all of us now on why
this support is critical to our continuing the progress we
began prior to the global financial
crisis......................As an employee or supplier, you
have a lot at stake and continue to be one of our most
effective and passionate voices. I know GM can count on you
to have your voice heard.

Thank you for your urgent action and ongoing support.

Troy Clarke
President General Motors North America


Response from:
; Gregory Knox, Pres.
Knox Machinery Company
Franklin, Ohio


In response to your request to contact
legislators and ask for a bailout for the Big Three
automakers please consider the following, and please pass my
thoughts on to Troy Clarke, President of General Motors
North America.

Politicians and Management of the Big 3 are
both infected with the same entitlement mentality that has
spread like cancerous germs in UAW halls for the last
countless decades, and whose plague is now sweeping this
nation, awaiting our new "messiah", Pres-elect
Obama, to wave his magic wand and make all our problems go
away, while at the same time allowing our once great nation
to keep "living the dream"... Believe me folks,
The dream is over!

This dream where we can ignore the consumer
for years while management myopically focuses on its
personal rewards packages at the same time that our
factories have been filled with the world's most overpaid,
arrogant, ignorant and laziest entitlement minded
"laborers" without paying the price for these
atrocities...this dream where you still think the masses
will line up to buy our products forever and ever.

; Don't even think about telling me
I'm wrong. Don't accuse me of not knowing of what I
speak. I have called on Ford, GM, Chrysler, TRW, Delphi,
Kelsey Hayes, American Axle and countless other automotive
OEM's throughout the Midwest during the past 30 years
and what I've seen over those years in these union shops
can only be described as disgusting.

Troy Clarke, President of General Motors
North America, stated: "There is widespread sentiment
throughout this country, and our government, and especially
via the news media, that the current crisis is completely
the result of bad management which it certainly is

You're right Mr. Clarke, it's not
JUST management...how about the electricians who walk around
the plants like lords in feudal times, making people wait on
them for countless hours while they drag ass...so they can
come in on the weekend and make double and triple time...for
a job they easily could have done within their normal 40
hour work week. How about the line workers who threaten
newbie's with all kinds of scare tactics...for putting out
too many parts on a shift...and for being too productive (We
certainly must not expose those lazy bums who have been
getting overpaid for decades for their horrific
underproduction, must we??!)

Do you folks really not know about this
stuff? How about this great sentiment abridged from Mr.
Clarke's sad plea: "over the last few years ...we
have closed the quality and efficiency gaps with our
competitors." What the hell has Detroit been doing for
the last 40 years?! Did we really JUST wake up to the gaps
in quality and efficiency between us and them? The K car vs.
the Accord? The Pinto vs. the Civic?!? Do I need to go on?
What a joke!

We are living through the inevitable
outcome of the actions of the United States auto industry
for decades. It's time to pay for your sins, Detroit.

I attended an economic summit last week
where brilliant economist, Alan Beaulieu, from the
Institute of Trend Research, surprised the crowd when he
said he would not have given the banks a penny of
"bailout money". "Yes, he said, this would
cause short term problems," but despite what people
like politicians and corporate magnates would have us
believe, the sun would in fact rise the next day... and the
following very important thing would happen...where there
had been greedy and sloppy banks, new efficient ones would
pop up...that is how a free market system works...it does
work...if we would only let it work..."

But for some nondescript reason we are now
deciding that the rest of the world is right and that
capitalism doesn't work - that we need the government to
step in and "save us"...Save us my ass, Hell -
we're nationalizing...and unfortunately too many of our
once fine nation's citizens don't even have a clue
that this is what is really happening...But, they sure can
tell you the stats on their favorite sports teams...yeah -
THAT'S really important, isn't it...

Does it ever occur to ANYONE that the
"competition" has been producing vehicles,
EXTREMELY PROFITABLY, for decades in this country?...

How can that be??? Let's see... Fuel efficient... Listening
to customers... Investing in the proper tooling and
automation for the long haul...

Not being too complacent or arrogant to
listen to Dr. W. Edwards Deming four decades ago when he
taught that by adopting appropriate principles of
management, organizations could increase quality and
simultaneously reduce costs. Ever increased productivity
through quality and intelligent planning... Treating vendors
like us as strategic partners, rather than like "the
enemy"... Efficient front and back offices... Non union

Again, I could go on and on, but I really
wouldn't be telling anyone anything they really
don't already know down deep in their hearts.

I have six children, so I am not unfamiliar
with the concept of wanting someone to bail you out of a
mess that you have gotten yourself into - my children do
this on a weekly, if not daily bas is, as I did when I was
their age. I do for them what my parents did for me (one of
their greatest gifts, by the way) - I make them stand on
their own two feet and accept the consequences of their
actions and work through it. Radical concept, huh... Am I
there for them in the wings? Of course - but only until such
time as they need to be fully on their own as adults.

I don't want to oversimplify a complex
situation, but there certainly are unmistakable parallels
here between the proper role of parenting and government.
Detroit and the United States need to pay for their sins. Bad
news people - it's coming whether we like it or not. The
newly elected Messiah really doesn't have a magic wand
big enough to "make it all go away." I laughed as
I heard Obama "reeling it back in" almost
immediately after the final vote count was
tallied..."we really might not do it in a year...or in
four..." Where the Hell was that kind of talk when he
was RUNNING for office?

Stop trying to put off the inevitable folks
... That house in Florida really isn't worth $750,000...
People who jump across a border really don't deserve
free health care benefits... That job driving that forklift
for the Big 3 really isn't worth $85,000 a year... We
really shouldn't allow Wal-Mart to stock their shelves
with products acquired from a country that unfairly
manipulates their currency and has the most atrocious human
rights infractions on the face of the globe...

That couple whose combined income is less
than $50,000 really shouldn't be living in that $485,000
home... Let the market correct itself folks - it will. Yes
it will be painful, but it's gonna' be painful
either way, and the bright side of my proposal is that on
the other side of it all, is a nation that appreciates what
it has...and doesn't live beyond its means...and gets
back to basics...and redevelops the patriotic work ethic
that made it the greatest nation in the history of the
world...and probably turns back to God.

Sorry - don't cut my head off, I'm
just the messenger sharing with you the "bad
news". I hope you take it to heart.

Gregory J. Knox, President
Knox Machinery, Inc.
Franklin, Ohio 45005

Comment by Steve Helton on February 20, 2009 at 11:26am
Also Jane, ref your comment on taxes Demorcrats dont mind high taxes. They just dont pay them...
Comment by Steve Helton on February 20, 2009 at 11:25am
Everyone who has a Democratic Congressman or Senator must get as many people in your state involved and contact your Senators and Congressman and let them know how outraged you are. If they feel the pressure of being re elected we can hopefully stop some of this Socialist nonsense in Washington WE just dont have enough Republicans to stop them. If they fear loss of their job we may have a chance. Otherwise welcome to Socialism.
Comment by Jane Haas on February 20, 2009 at 11:14am
Gee, if the entire nation stopped paying their taxes in a revolt, would they jail the entire nation? Half the gov't officials apparently don't pay them already!
Comment by Steve Helton on February 20, 2009 at 9:44am
Hello Jane and everyone. What everyone has to understand is that Obama is a Socialist. Always has been always will be. We need to keep our Congressman and Senators informed. to be honest with you I dont see the Obama Socialist Party backing down to anything. They have their agenda and I think they intend to fulfull it and to hell with anyone that gets in their way. Maybe Rush is right we need to march on Washington.
Comment by Jane Haas on February 20, 2009 at 9:37am
Hi There! Just joined this group today! How does everyone feel about the fact that Obama now wants to tax people who drive a lot, based on their mileage? As a small business owner and photographer, I have to drive to my locations (as an architectural photographer, would be a bit hard to bring a house to me! lol), this would kill my business!

I have been spreading the word about this site to all my clients, since most are in Real Estate. We need to stop this spending and reform the tax code fast to save our economy and our nation from going totally bankrupt!

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