Replace All Federal Taxes on Income with the Fair Tax Act , HR 25 and S 122

I think I see a new political party forming.

FairTax will be part of it's platform along with term limits.

What do you folks think of this?

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Permalink Reply by micheleking on May 17, 2009 at 7:37pm

Phooey! I give up, looking on various party sites today and not finding FairTax. Last was the "Am Ind.Party," Alan Keyes. No fairtax, no hr25, no FairTax.

Sticking to same. Nagging folks to support FairTax.

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Permalink Reply by Jim Tomasik on May 18, 2009 at 6:59am

Hang tight. Nothing will happen over night.

Of course, we should keep doing exactly what we are doing. It is working pretty dern good!

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Permalink Reply by micheleking on May 19, 2009 at 2:04pm

Was on "WorldNetDaily" this a.m. and the tea party folks had a few remarks of starting a 3rd party stuff on there. This was stuff was mostly written in April.

Didn't check it out yet as my head still hurts from the SSecurity and Tax rants and tea party folks generally gyrate my nerves.

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Permalink Reply by Thomas J Baluh on May 19, 2009 at 8:28pm

Sign me up because I'm fed up!

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Permalink Reply by Sunny Snaith on May 20, 2009 at 5:25am

I think the only way a third party could realistically form: Self-declaration of belief in a common set of principles, while maintaining current party affiliation. Once that set of principles has become communicated sufficiently enough to be identifiable and popular with voters, the politicians could rally together and form a new party.

Glen Beck's 9-12 Project has a set of 9 Principles and 12 Values they promote, which could be such a unifying theme.

In addition to the above ideals, The Sunny Plan outlines my views (a version of which I sent, with tea bag, to my Washington legislators, the President, Vice-President, Speaker, and my Governor).

Let me know what you think! -- Sunny

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Permalink Reply by Jim Tomasik on May 20, 2009 at 6:53am

In your plan, I like some things but others not so much. IMHO, The third item in 9 should never happen.

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Permalink Reply by Sunny Snaith on May 20, 2009 at 7:55pm

Jim, I understand where you're coming from.

# 9 in The Sunny Plan stipulates term limits for Congress to be 12 consecutive years. The point that Jim disagrees with is a provision allowing legislators to return to Congress after a break of at least one term.

I included this provision so that excellent legislators could continue to serve, so long as they return to civilian life for a minimum of 4 to 6 years. I think it is important for legislators to return to the 'real world', lest they forget those whom they are supposed to serve. However, I do not think that there is an endless supply of honorable and interested individuals to represent every district and state. An effective legislator could overcome the challenge of not being the incumbent.

There's a pertinent quote, regarding the need for legislators to return to the 'real world', that goes something along the lines: Citizen legislators will never vote a stick against themselves. I can't find it online (but not for lack of trying). The idea is that, so long as our representatives are people such as ourselves, they will not overburden us. Unfortunately, we have created this privileged class of Washington elite, many of whom have never known life as a regular citizen. If they had to return to their districts and live among us, if they didn't have special privileges (see # 10 of my plan), and if they weren't entrenched incumbents, this might change.

ALSO NOTE: Passing the FairTax will clear out many of the corrupt politicians in Washington because losing the ability to tinker with the Tax Code will limit their power. If we also permit departments to prioritize their own projects (# 4 of my plan) , we will further limit their power. Lobbyists won't have as much to gain and so will offer less in return (favors, contributions, etc.). The greedy and the power-hungry will have to go looking in the corporate world to satisfy their desires. Passing these two items would really toss out the corruption -- and so will probably never happen ... but one can hope!

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Permalink Reply by Nancy L. Gatchel on May 21, 2009 at 7:33pm

I like the strategy in your first paragraph. I agree. I catch the Glenn Beck show a time or two a week and I surely do appreciate 9/12ers. They're doing the right thing, in my personal opinion.

I've taken a little different form of activism. I support two pieces of legislation which I consider to be vital to America's ability to survive and thrive. Those are the Fair Tax and Enumerated Powers Act. The first obviously gets the economy going once again; the second forces congress, the administration, and the senate to enumerate specifically that part of the Constitution that allows and supports any and every piece of legislation. I think that might go a ways in slowing down some of the mega spending.

And yep, I'm a tea partier, right along with my mom, the Democrat. I add the Dem part, lest folks get the wrong idea about us Fair Taxers.

I'm all for your basic strategy. I believe it's probably the only way to git r done.

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Permalink Reply by micheleking on May 20, 2009 at 12:29pm

Glen Beck gyrates my nerves...I don't get 9/12. Tried a few weeks ago to see about FairTax on that site and didn't get far. How does GBeck feel about FairTax? Noticed much condescension to TeaParty folk.

The other list is nice. A lot more nice than mine was...

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Permalink Reply by Nancy L. Gatchel on May 21, 2009 at 7:55pm

From what I understand, he leans toward a flat tax so he needs a little work. He's on the right track in many ways, but I heard it said once, "Even if you are on the track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." And he is a Tea Partier.

Yeah, sometimes he gets to me, too, but so does O'Reilly and Hannity. I don't listen to Rush, but evidently he drives folks crazy, too. They all get on my nerves and that's why I only watch so much of them. Same with Oberman and Cooper. They all get carried away. I'm more of a centrist.

That's why I really like the Tea Parties. We come from all across the political spectrum. What a great way to be united! Feels like one big community with common goals. Too bad Washington doesn't try to come together like we do. And let's face it, the Fair Tax provides them with the perfect opportunity. That's as clear as day to me, but I guess the Beltway, Reps and Dems, is too power hungry to realize that they're obliterating their financial resources. How dumb is that?! Sheesh.

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Permalink Reply by Sean Fagan on May 22, 2009 at 3:44pm

In my honest opinion, I think Rush has the best mind of all talk radio hosts. After Rush, Boortz is the best. Hannity gets on my nerves and I'm disappointed with Beck. It took me a while to get used to Rush, but if you're a conservative then he really does speak to you. Based on what I've read in your comments, I think you should give him a try. Just my two cents.

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Permalink Reply by David Shipp on May 23, 2009 at 7:17pm

Sean, I used to listen to Rush before and after Clinton was elected. It seemed to me, he was waiting for a candidate to come along who would support the constitution and The Republican Party. So then came Ron Paul. This was the epitome of every thing he had said the Republican party should be. Rush would not get behind him. Why not? Any idea ? Did you ever hear him say why? Rush lost credibility with me when he would not endorse Ron Paul and I think Ron Paul did the country a disservice when he would not run without the Republican nomination. Thoughts?