Replace All Federal Taxes on Income with the Fair Tax Act , HR 25
Quoting a blogger...It's an American thing
I like the way Elmer Eugene O'Neill says it in his blog..."FairTax-It's an American thing" because it's so true. We should make this a very prominent statement, in words we say and in print. It has such a great non-partisan ring to it; it fosters an air of inclusiveness to all Americans and is more inviting especially since FairTax is perceived by many to be a Republican effort. It ought to be on the Main page here, on FairTax.org. Include it in all handout literature to make the FairTax idea more acceptabe to all who pay taxes. Just a thought...
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Permalink Reply by Joe McCune on
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Wally, I agree, "FairTax-It's an American thing" has a great sound to it. Nonpartisan, simple, all inclusive statement.
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Permalink Reply by Jim Tomasik on
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I am trying to come up with a new logo for the site and to put on Tee Shirts.
I like this slogan as well. Maybe we can incorporate it into the new logo.
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Permalink Reply by Keith Ritzler on -
First, let me say that I am absolutely in favor of the FairTax.
But, imagine this:
President Obama and his cabinet today stated that he/they are in favor of the FairTax in order to get the $3-10 trillion in offshore money back into the U.S. to help pay for the huge deficit and fund the President's proposed programs. Furthermore, after it is passed he proposes that Congress modifies it where the "poor" get a double prebate and those making over $200,000/year get $100/year prebate to stimulate the economy.
Given the country's general mistrust of the current administration, there could be a perception that this is another scam to bring socialism to the U.S. I am not proposing that we abandon the FairTax. Yet, perhaps we should "tread water" until some trust in the government is restablished in 2010 and 2012. The people are a bit nervous about the FairTax because it is ourside of their comfort zone. They have lived with the income tax most/all of their lives and they know how to deal with it. How may of us, while explaining the absence of the income tax, are asked "What about my deductions"? It is, to many, a revolutionary concept.
I'm just concerned that, If President Obama came out in favor of the FairTax, it could set the program back for up to a decade.
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Permalink Reply by Wally Fox on
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I couldn't agree more that Obama and some of the top Democrats who want complete control of all U.S. citizens thru social engineering by economic manipulation (witness the current tax code and the health-care debate) would use FairTax as an additional tool to achieve their goals any way possible. I'm reading Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny, which will require for me a second reading, who describes how it is happening. It's a real eye-opener. That's not to disparage all Democrats; many sincerely want the best for this country from their perspective. But those in the White House now are quite cunning and resourceful and determined to meet their goals. As Rham Emanuel says, "You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." And certainly the current economic situation is a serious crisis, solvable to a great degree by the FairTax.
If I"m not mistaken H.R. 25 says in effect it's locked in concrete, not to be changed but become law as written and furthermore not to be tampered with. I hope that's the case.
Getting $3-10 trillion ofshore money back would certainly be a feather in Obama's hat and a boost to the economy. We have to temper your concerns with the need to keep and increase the FairTax momentum and generate huge support for representatives who will make it law, hopefully in 2011. Those same people I believe would prevent Obama from meddling with the code to increase his power, especially if the House were a Republican majority again.
The FairTax shouldn't be law to the advantage of either party, only to all Americans.
My question is this regarding the FairTax; If we don't do it, who will?
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Permalink Reply by Keith Ritzler on
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Thank you for commenting on this. As I just replied to Jim, this was just an observation in case the current administration suddenly saw the value of the FairTax as an source of revenue or as an attempt to garner the supprt of us FairTaxer's. I would hate to see people become wary of our work by connecting it with President Obama and his staff.
As to meddling with the law, if it can be done - it will be! I'm not recommending this, but the only way to minimize such changes is to make it an amendment to the constitution. That would mean that our great-grandchildren would be members of the FairTax Nation.
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So what? They can do that NOW!
Full steam ahead!
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Permalink Reply by Keith Ritzler on
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Of course they can do it now. Now is not the point! I just don't want to see the FairTax movement tainted by the distrust of the Obama administration. I realize that the current administration has a vested interest in the income tax as a hammer and the odds of them coming out in favor of the FairTax is minimal. It was just an observation, not an attempt to reduce our efforts to eventually pass the FairTax.
Take a deep breath, Jim.
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Breathing deeply! ;o)
The reason I'm not concerned with this is because ObamaCare will depend on the IRS to enforce its mandates. The word you used is perfect: "hammer".
This is the time to point out that the income tax code is a tool to be used against us.
The FairTax is diametricly opposed to Obama's ideology.
And less we forget, the 'R' party never adopted FairTax either.
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The good news–and bad news– is that the benefits of the income tax system are largely confined to those in and around Congress while the disadvantages and destructive effects of direct taxation affect the entire nation. Implicit in such strategy questions are two more fundamental questions: can the anonymous many overcome the politically powerful few and, most significantly, does our form of democracy still work when the majorities’ interest requires change or sacrifice by the political elite? The FairTax is, seen in this light, nothing less than a test of the fundamental promise of the Framer’s vision of a representative democracy.
We, the people, essentially have to run over the tax lobby and all their friends for the FairTax to see enactment. That means "elites" (from BOTH parties). This is no small task because it requirtes uniting the public. The political class routinely dismisses this as as unrealistic because it is so easy to manipulate the passions of Americans against each other.
One cannot ever overestimate the clout this crowd will bring to bear in defense of the lucrative federal system that allows favor trading, huge profits, loophole buying and selling, and the understandable social networking that this significant industry produces. Pundits, academicians, legislators, lobbyists, and even tax-reform groups and think-tanks all feed off the dysfunction and corruption of the income tax system and have–and will–resist this needed and sensible reform. They will use the power to pit Americans against each other to protect the hidden truth of what actually unites both Democrats and Republicans in Washington--power over the populace---and rich profits.
Without any doubt, the FairTax will need advocates on both sides of the fence to see the light of day, and those who want to fashion the FairTax as a Republican-only issue need to think again about such a partisan view in my opinion. The simple fact is, a constitutional amendment cannot be achieved without votes from both sides of the aisle. Such a shift toward support of the FairTax in Washington requires citizens of both parties to bring intense and unbearable pressure on thier elected officials.
This is precisely why I ask FairTax supporters to keep their advocacy to the FairTax and not to join with groups whose main message is anti-Obama and anti-Democrat. Advocate for those other issues separate from the FairTax because merging them drives needed FairTax converts away. Slamming Mr. Obama, his initiatives and policies, even those that may cause heartfelt concern, repels the very people needed to force FairTax enactment on Democratic legislators. The FairTax is, in my view, a citizen initiative that transcends political affiliation because to succeed, all are required and upon enactment–-all benefit.
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Permalink Reply by Keith Ritzler on
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Thank you. I wasn't trying (note the word "trying") to make a party issue observation, but I was referring to the general suspicion that many of all parties plus independents have of the current administration overall attitude and policies. Many of the "tea baggers" (bless their newly activist souls) are afraid of anything that has been recently proposed by Washington and that discomfort could rub off on the FairTax should it be found useful to the current administration. I wrote several time to former President Bush that the FairTax could save his place in history. Previous administrations have ignored the FairTax hoping it would just go away.
It's too bad that we who support the FairTax can't get the kind of publicity the recent march on Washington and the well-covered townhall meetings have generated.
As I think about, the fact that "The FairTax is diametrically opposed to Obama's ideology" could be our hook. It would save Obama's place in history as well as help to save the economy. Maybe we should attempt to get the current administration to see how useful the FairTax could be to them. After all, we don't care who gets it passed, just that it is passed.
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> The danger is that once the benefits to the country are seen the FairTax will be lauded by those who would like to rewrite the bill. They would insert wording that would allow them to give favors etc. So we must be vigilant if any new large group of supporters emerges among the current political parties. We must ensure that it passes as written. Of course minor changes or improvements might be O.K.
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We will have to be physically present when the legislation finally reaches the floor of the House and we will have to have the nation watching from home and on e-mail because there is no doubt there will be a bipartisan attempt to exempt something in order to open the door to Congress and lobbyists once again. That day will requires millions of e-mails and phone calls to avert the danger that would transform the program into yet another lobbyist manipulated tax system. Ronald Reagan had it right--"trust but verify".
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