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Replace All Federal Taxes on Income with the Fair Tax Act , HR 25 and S 18

Congressman Rob Woodall, sponsor of the Fair Tax Bill HR 25, raised an interesting point in his radio interview on www.FairTaxTime.com the Fair Tax radio program there are a million ways to help pass the Fair Tax.

 

In talking to people who would like to help pass the Fair Tax I am often asked "What can I do to help". My suggestion is we all work together to make a list of one million ways to pass the Fair Tax. Keep it simple and short. For example:

1. Talk to your children and grandchildren about the Fair Tax.

 

What would you add to our list of one million ways to pass the Fair Tax?

 

To listen to Congressman Rob Woodall's interview on passing the Fair Tax in 2013 go to:

Rob Woodall's interview begins about 15 min into the program. The phone lines were jammed so he had some problems calling in. Be patient, his message is well worth the wait!

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Comment by Henry on August 19, 2012 at 4:28pm

Jordan Williamson: I forgot to say this. I talk to some people who are with Fair Tax. When I explained about retirees and their fixed incomes and the tax on rent especially when their rent is set according to their incomes. These people said that is one thing they don't like about the Fair Tax especially on rent. What they should do is SCRAP HR-25 and start over again. There are problems with it especially the collection part and better focus on retirees.

Comment by Henry on August 19, 2012 at 4:18pm

Jordan Williamson: Yes, there should be a Federal agency, Sales Tax Bureau, but this agency should handle the tax themselves and not the states handling it. There should be a Federal agency in every state so that businesses and stores can send the sales receipts to the Federal agency and leave the states to handle their own tax businesses. It just like we send our Federal tax forms to the IRS. They do the same thing with the Federal and state gas taxes. That is what I'm for. The Federal government should handle their own taxes and leave the states out of it. You get what I'm talking about or do I have to explain it again? Whoever thought this idea of states doing it, wasn't all there. On retirees, this tax is going to hurt them. I will explain why. Most retirees use to own homes and with their incomes, it was getting costly to upkeep them. They move into a apartment complex and their rent is set according to their income. YOUR FAIR TAX TAXES RENT. If their rent is $400 a month, they will have to cough up an additional $92 to cover the Fair Tax. Don't forget Fair Tax taxes utilities, phone service,food, medical, gas (with Fair Tax, add a dollar more a gallon). You would talk about the prebates but the prebates would only cover part of it. These people have been into Social Security and Federal taxes all their lives and now they are being taxed again because of your Fair Tax. If they offer some kind of exemption but your Fair Tax doesn't offer any exemptions except to businesses and farms. You got some tax system there.

Comment by Marilyn Rickert on August 19, 2012 at 3:03pm
Marilyn: Your comment DOES NOT answer my questions. On first part what you wrote is totally Unconstitutional. There is Still nothing written in the articles for states becoming tax collectors, collecting Federal taxes for the Federal government, whether voluntary or not. What you wrote in the first part is Fantasy.
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. We have a difference of opinion here. We cannot run our country on what the Constitution does not say. The assumption is that laws are Constitutional unless the Constitution says they are unconstitutional.
On the 16th Amendment, it takes a separate act of Congress to do that, 2/3 vote of each House of Congress and 3/4 ratification of the States.
We know all about repeal of the 16th amendment. We have a passive repeal in H.JRes. 16 in congress.  I personally favor an aggressive repeal but one has not yet been introduced into Congress.
How is that to be done when the State Governors Covention voted not to back any type of National Sales Tax.
Since Governors do not vote on federal law their opinion is just that their opinion it has no real impact. Of course I would oppose a National Sales Tax too without the explicit protections built into the Fair Tax.
On the prebates, it still sounds like a National Entitlement. It will still cost the Federal government, $600 billion annually. You think, I'm the only one who brought this up, there are others saying the same thing.
The $600 billion annually is not the government's money -- it is the people's money. I believe that government should function to serve the people, not that the people should serve the government.
The Fair Tax was researched and written by the American people. I encourage you to do the research, write the bill and get it introduced into the Congress. If you can show me a better plan than the Fair Tax I would love to support it.
Comment by Jordan Williamson on August 19, 2012 at 2:42pm

Henry, I hope I was clear but just to restate (and it seems you agree) that the Constitution holds no provision that allows for states to collect taxes, and it also does not specify a federal agency as the collector either. The Congress, as you've pointed out, has the power to lay and collect taxes. The Necessary and Proper clause allows them to do so as they see fit. Whether it is through a federalism view, through the states, or by setting up a federal agency, which the FairTax does, the Sales Tax Bureau, to oversee the methods of the states. The money sent to the states is in return for a completely legal and constitutional service which would make little sense to characterize it as a bribe of some sort. You are certainly entitled to your own opinion on the issue of retirees and what you persist in calling a national entitlement. If the cost of the prebate is $600 billion(which is a little higher than our own estimates) it still pales in comparison to the $760 billion cost of total tax deductions embedded in our current system. At least the prebate does not try to incentivize a certain way of living. I would also think that a retired person would enjoy not having to pay the embedded price of the corporate tax, to enjoy their lifetime investments free of the capital gains tax, to not have to worry about tax filings, records and paperwork. To live without having to pay taxes on basic necessities through use of the prebate. And I would also assume that there would be peace of mind knowing that half of your assets will not be taken by the government with the estate tax. You can feel free to disagree, I would just like to know why...

Comment by Tony on August 19, 2012 at 11:54am

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Comment by Henry on August 19, 2012 at 11:41am

Marilyn: Your comment DOES NOT answer my questions. On first part what you wrote is totally Unconstitutional. There is Still nothing written in the articles for states becoming tax collectors, collecting Federal taxes for the Federal government, whether voluntary or not. What you wrote in the first part is Fantasy. On the 16th Amendment, it takes a saparate act of Congress to do that, 2/3 vote of each House of Congress and 3/4 ratification of the States. How is that to be done when the State Governors Covention voted not to back any type of National Sales Tax. On the prebates, it still sounds like a National Entitlement. It will still cost the Federal government, $600 billion annually. You think, I'm the only one who brought this up, there are others saying the same thing.

Comment by Marilyn Rickert on August 19, 2012 at 11:18am
There is a problem with the so called Fair Tax. Who is going to administer it with the IRS eliminated? According to HR-25, the state authorities will administer it but that could be in violation of Article I, section 8, U.S. Constitution: The Congress Shall Have The Power To Lay And Collect Taxes. It goes on from there. There is nothing written in the articles or amendments of states becoming tax collectors, collecting Federal taxes for the Federal government whether voluntary or not.
The Fair Tax does not compel states to collect the Fair Tax. If a state chooses to collect the Fair Tax the state will receive a portion of each federal dollar collected -- which turns out to be a lot of money for the states.  ( If a state does not want to collect the Fair Tax another state can be contracted to collect the Fair Tax.)  This acts as a carrot to encourage the state to end their income taxes and "harmonize" the state tax code to the federal. Repeal of the 16th amendment should return to making the taxing of income unconstitutional thus ending state income taxes as well.
The so called prebates are nothing but a National entitlement which will cost the Federal government $600 billion annually. I read the legislation and parts of the book on the collection part.
The prebate is only for citizens and legal residents of the US -- except persons in prison will not receive the prebate. The prebate is simply of refund of the taxes you over pay. The prebate is based on the poverty level (defined on the cost of the necessities of life). The prebate ensures that every citizen and legal resident is able to purchase the necessities of life tax free. The reasoning is simple, if a person is too poor to feed their family they should not be paying taxes to the government. Everyone is treated the same - no exceptions.
I hope this helps answer your questions Henry!
Thanks, Marilyn
Comment by Henry on August 19, 2012 at 11:13am

Jorden Williamson: I saw Article 6 and it doesn't say anything about states being tax collectors for the Federal governmet but it says state have to abide by the Constitution. Article I, section 8 doesn't say anything of states being tax collectors, collecting Federal taxes for the Federal government, whether voluntary or not and states getting a fee for collecting Federal taxes STILL sounds like a bribe or kickback. I wonder if that is constitutional?  It doesn't say anything of Federal agencies either. Congress Shall Have The Power To Lay And Collect Taxes. The people who wrote the legislation are NOT above the U.S. Constitution and neither is Congress. I'm sorry I have to disagree with you on the collection part. Federal government handles their taxes, the states handle theirs and the local governments, theirs. That's the way it should be. There should be a Federal agency handling this tax. This could be a good tax system but there are small problems with it that I don't like. The collection part and how they treat retirees. I'm retired and I studied this tax system. It will not work for me. You have to be retired and experienced what retirement is. There are many different types of retirement out there. If you're not retired, I don't want to hear your conclusion that Fair Tax is good for retiees.

Comment by Jordan Williamson on August 19, 2012 at 9:34am
Henry, I am familiar with Article 6 but you need to realize that the Constitution also says nothing about a federal agency collecting taxes either. In fact the ruling principle here is the necessary and proper clause. If the Congress deems state agencies acting as proxies to be the way to go that is both necessary and proper to the bill they have enacted then it is constitutional. In fact there could be no compensation at all for the states, what it resembles is compensation for a service (tax collection) more than a bribe or kickback. This framework is based on federalism more than any other tax proposal. The states are given the freedom to set this up how they see fit or even enter into interstate agreements if they do not wish to set up the infrastructure necessary. This takes a top-down idea (federal taxation) and cuts away huge portions of the burden inherent. The 100% argument you seem to be making uses several assumptions. I live in Texas and when I say 100% of your paycheck I know I'm not lying. When speaking out of state, I make the point clear, it is free of 100% of the federal deductions. Many people I know do the same. To claim that we are lying in some way is disingenuous at the very least. I can't speak for others and you shouldn't either.
Comment by Henry on August 19, 2012 at 4:58am

Jordan Williamson: Section 302, part e may outline the Sales Tax Bureau but the U.S. Constitution is STILL the LAW OF THE LAND. There is nothing written in the articles having state agencies collecting Federal taxes for the Federal government whether voluntary or not and then offering a fee for collecting which sounds like a bribe or kickback. About state income taxes, Did I Said I Have A Problem With State Income Taxes? YOUR CONCLUSION. It's what you people say, you get 100% of your paycheck with this Fair Tax and you said it makes April 15th another beautiful day. But of states that have state income taxes, your Fair Tax doesn't eliminate them. People in those states STILL have to file by April 15th. Tell the truth about your Fair Tax. Quit telling people, you get 100% of your paycheck especially people who live in states that have state income taxes. Stay with the truth and quit lying. This Fair Tax DOES NOT eliminate any state income taxes.

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